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I NEED TO DO SOMETHING HERE The Vapour Engine I THINK THIS WILL DO IT

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have gone through and done bits and bobs - minor tweaks.

some points (also in PAD)

is "cybernetic avant cybernetics." a term? I can't find it, so I am going to delete the repetition.

Here Butler establishes a definition of purpose which accords with the definition developed in Wiener et al’s Behaviour, Purpose and Teleology (1943) (see chapter one)
chapter one of what?

It is this technical standard that Butler (and later Bateson) will account for the regulative principles of evolutionary adaptation. - this feels incomplete. made a suggestion... but perhaps it weakens the whole

here and detail alongside a man-made foot composed of ingenious mechanical parts: “We not only feel that there is a wider difference between the ability, time, and care which have been lavished on the real foot and upon the model, than there is between the skill and the time taken to produce Westminster Abbey, and that bestowed upon a gingerbread cake stuck with sugar plums so as to represent it, but also that these two objects must have been manufactured on different principles.”[9](my emphasis) there are no emphases?

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-In this chapter I will discuss the work of Samuel Butler, who made a series of claims in relation to consciousness and purpose, and in relation to machine life and organic life which were cybernetic ''avant'' cybernetics.<ref>Specifically; S. Butler: ''Darwin Among the Machines'' (1863); ''Evolution Old and New, Or the Theories of Buffon, Dr. Erasmus Darwin and Lamarck, as Compared With That of Charles Darwin'' (1879); Erewhon (1872) and Butler's ''Notebooks'' (1885)</ref>
-In ''Evolution Old and New'' Butler articulated a dialectical relationship between the discourse of the machine and the discourse of evolution. These claims would later be reformulated in more precisely cybernetic terms by Gregory Bateson, Norbert Wiener, Kenneth Craik, Warren McCulloch and others.
+have gone through and done bits and bobs - minor tweaks.
-Samuel Butler had been a strong adherent of Darwinian evolutionary theory since 1859, when he first encountered Charles Darwin’s ''The Origin of The Species''. The two men conducted an amicable correspondence as Butler published a series of text which took the theory of natural selection as their starting premise, including ''Darwin Among the Machines'' (1863) which speculated on the conditions necessary for a machine to evolve in the manner of an organism (a theme revisited in Butler's novel ''Erewhon'' a decade later).
+some points (also in PAD)
+ is "cybernetic avant cybernetics." a term? I can't find it, so I am going to delete the repetition.
+ Here Butler establishes a definition of purpose which accords with the definition developed in Wiener et al’s Behaviour, Purpose and Teleology (1943) (see chapter one)
+ chapter one of what?
+It is this technical standard that Butler (and later Bateson) will account for the regulative principles of evolutionary adaptation.
+- this feels incomplete. made a suggestion... but perhaps it weakens the whole
+here
+and detail alongside a man-made foot composed of ingenious mechanical parts:
+“We not only feel that there is a wider difference between the ability, time, and care which have been lavished on the real foot and upon the model, than there is between the skill and the time taken to produce Westminster Abbey, and that bestowed upon a gingerbread cake stuck with sugar plums so as to represent it, but also that these two objects must have been manufactured on different principles.”[9](my emphasis)
+there are no emphases?

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