Talk:Mediawiki cheatsheet
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Main_Page See also https://pad.xpub.nl/p/LoopdePad2 for notes on edits00000 (Sol and Kate)
SIMON: There are a few things to do,
1) [done] CHANGE FROM: Introduction: The Foundations of Cybernetic Discourse
TO: Introduction: The Foundations of a Cybernetic Discourse This will mean copying and replacing the page.
2) [done] CHANGE the order of contents
FROM: PREFACE → Chapter Outline → Introduction: The Foundations of a Cybernetic Discourse → Notes on Method
TO: PREFACE
→ Introduction: The Foundations of a Cybernetic Discourse
→ Chapter Outline
→ Notes on Method
+ change links at the base of the pages
Discuss title letters in colour (on the Main Page?), which might make the title "pop" --- not sure if this will work, but the coloured letters could make a space between the black text and background .
The Fabulous Loop de Loop A cybernetic discourse as read through seven feedback machines A project by Steve Rushton
Floop Agenda June- July
June 9-21+ Steve Edit Floop (responding to Sol and Kate's feedback)
June 21 -25(+) Sol reads, gives commentary and corrects whole text
July 1 Kate reads, gives commentary and corrects Lacan chapters
July 14 -1 August final corrections.
ted: Share contact with Simon/Sol
Hi Simon
I'm currently in the process of getting readers-editors to work on Floop. After doing some editing and reviewing of the text I realised I need to move the chapter → Bateson’s Negentropic Discourse Matrix up into the THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENTIAL section
So.. the new contents would read like this:[done] PREFACE
→ Chapter Outline → Introduction: The Foundations of Cybernetic Discourse → Notes on Method
THE GOVERNOR
→ The Vapour Engine
→ Vibrations → A (Proto) Cybernetic Explanation → From Schizmogenesis to Feedback → Negative Entropy – Bateson - Freud → Cybernetics - Dynamic Psychology M. SPECULARIX (The Cybernetic Tortoise) → The Body in Pieces → The Tortoise and Homeostasis SEER (SEquence Extrapolating Robot) → Play Like an Idiot → Odd or Even? → Poe's Purloined Letter → Lacan Builds a Circuit THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENTIAL (The Anthropometre) → Why “The Map is NOT the Territory” → Bateson’s Negentropic Discourse Matrix THE ELECTROPSYCOMETER (The E-Meter) → Time-Binding and Time-Scrambling THE HOMEOSTAT → Steps Towards a (Media) Ecology THE PORTAPAK: SONY VIDEOROVER DV-2400 (1967) → The Fabulous Loop de Loop → Double Bind to Video Therapy → Double Bind's Double life Conclusion: The Last Loop de Loop?
This would mean moving the text and changing the links to the previous-following chapters at the base of the page. Wanna skype/jitsi or meet for a coffee to chat about it?[done]
Small things to do 11-6-21
1)
The The Tortoise and Homeostasis needs a link to Bateson’s Negentropic Discourse Matrix at the base of the page and a link to the preceding chapter - done
2)
Is there any chance of making the contents list on the left of the screen invisible UNLESS you scroll over it? Could there be one line on this left column- Fabulous Loop de Loop contents - which becomes visible when scrolling over it? working on this - have asked Andre to install an extension, if this isn't suitable I can try using some javascript to hide/show the menu
QUESTIONS 4 STEVE: 10/06/21=
Is this page still needed? Can I delete it? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text (We have all the Parallel Texts already listed under the Category: Parallel Text)
Yes, it can go! The preface, and the whole entry page is looking great!
==
"USER GUIDE" is usually the first document you read to learn the basics of how to use a machine. But on Floop, the USER's GUIDE comes after the CHAPTER OUTLINE Is what on Floop actually a USER's GUIDE, or more a description of A PARALLEL TEXT? Should the title really be "USER GUIDE", or perhaps "A note to the reader"?
How to collapse these into one title: User Guide: The Fabulous Loop de Loop Chapter Outline
Could they be called Preface?
YES! done!
Hey Simon, it is BEAUTIFUL, by the way! Thanks Steve :)
UPDATE: Wednesday -9-6-21
first box - image of whole loop; done Headed: PREFACE done linking to three pages= 1) Chapter outline done 2) introduction done 3) User Guide- (or maybe change this to Notes on Method, what do you think?). Yes - I prefer Notes on Method as it is not really a USER GUIDE anymore - done Note;the image for PREFACE could be a tad bigger done
Steve notes 8-6-21 Thanks Simon. That is looking so much better. and every time you add something new possibilities are suggested. So on that basis– Two points:
One -- chapter outline, introduction, user guide
Two -- image in the 1st box
one >> How to collapse these into one title: User Guide: The Fabulous Loop de Loop Chapter Outline Could they be called Preface?
yes they could
but I think there is another approach
Also to consider. The introduction follows on from the Chapter Outline.
+) Introduction also needs to be in the "loop" (the first "box") +) there needs to be a link at the end of chapter outline which takes the reader to introduction.
STEVE SUGGESTS So perhaps it would be best if the first box read
CHAPTER OUTINE- INTRODUCTION
which leads us to a section with three chapters*(?) (as with THE GOVERNOR AND M. SPECULARIX) wherein we find CHAPTER OUTLINE, INTRODUCTION, USER GUIDE (the user guide has explanation of parallel texts and notes on methodology). CHAPTER OUTLINE and INTRODUCTION, have links at the bottom which allows the reader to follow in order. Parallel text has link to index of parallel texts..
So USER GUIDE is a little 'free floating' text within the introduction section
In this way we retain the continuity of form and visual logic established so far (the machine, which breaks into parts)
Sure, this makes sense. So the first box represents the Chapter Outline, Introduction and User Guide, which has the same click flow as the other boxes (leading the reader to a break-down of its components).
- (?) I'll need to make a new page (a la THE GOVERNOR, M SPECULARIX) with a grid of three columns.
What should this page be called? To avoid redundancy, perhaps a title like "Chapter Outline, Introduction, User Guide" shouldn't be used (the name of the page automatically appears at the top of the page in MediaWiki).
Two
So, following the same visual logic THE IMAGE: on the first box should be all 7 machines in a circle, like this drawing (meta diagram) I made
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/File:Floop_meta_diagram.jpg. The viewer would then see the 7 machines and realise this is a miniature version of the screen they are seeing. They would understand the structure instantly. This image would be like the top half of the image currently in the first square (minus the parralel text box and with the machines arranged in order.). Bingo. A nice solution :)
Feel free to call if any of this needs clarification: 061 966 4265
questions is this heading "PURLOINED LETTER –+ & –" needed here? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Poe's_Purloined_Letter#PURLOINED_LETTER_.E2.80.93.2B_.26_.E2.80.93
repetition
This section contains a pt-link for CLARK HULL
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/CLARK_HULL
which has a quote that is repeated in the main text: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_(Proto)_Cybernetic_Explanation#THE_MECHANISMS_OF_HUMAN_ACTION
ok please delete.
housekeeping I'm moving this page to the sidebar: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text This is for housekeeping purposes - we'll need to go through these and delete duplicates of parallel texts that are linked to in the margins of Floop.
We have these parallel texts indexed on this page (under Category:Parallel Text): https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Category:Parallel_Text
We will need to search and destroy ones on the former page "A Parallel Text" where they were transcluded.
30 Jan: Note= schizmogenesis is correct - ok, added to the list on this pad
SB todo:
SR: Priority: please make links to next chapter at end of each chapter.... DONE 27.01.21 (N.B: Beginning with the Introduction, I have placed links at the bottom of each chapter page to the previous (on the left side), and next chapter (on the right side). The links make a loop - i.e. the "previous" chapter of the Introduction is the Conclusion.
Indent all quotes of more than 50 words DONE 21.01.21
QUERY W/ STEVE: Should all of these Parallel Texts be in the index of Category: Parallel Text? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text >> if duplicates, retain most recent
Description of Structural Differential does not correspond exactly to the diagram adjacent to it (the description mentions L, but in the diagram we see I1, I2, I3. Remake diagram? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Why_%E2%80%9CThe_Map_is_NOT_the_Territory%E2%80%9D#THE_STRUCTURAL_DIFFERENTIAL_.281924.29
S: I will deal with this...
In this section: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Vapour_Engine#EVOLUTION_OLD_AND_NEW
there is a quote:
“We not only feel that there is a wider difference between the ability, time, and care which have been lavished on the real foot and upon the model, than there is between the skill and the time taken to produce Westminster Abbey, and that bestowed upon a gingerbread cake stuck with sugar plums so as to represent it, but also that these two objects must have been manufactured on different principles.”[9](my emphasis)
There is no emphasis applied here?
well spotted: I will change it
Also, in this section https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php?title=Steps_Towards_a_(Media)_Ecology&action=edit§ion=1
...is this:
[In a Parallel Text I quote Ross Ashby's technical description of the homeostat in Design for a Brain (1952) at length (see link in the margin).]
The link to the PT is there in the margin , so this feels a little redundant - is this text needed?
OK please remove DONE 27.01.20
To briefly recap: (colon AFTER italics) - check this is consistent globally DONE 21.01.21
Bibliography: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/BIBLIOGRAPHY%E2%80%93FABULOUS_LOOP_DE_LOOP
The list should have "hanging indents" :
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4xJeBV6-7t4/maxresdefault.jpg. Need to add this to the CSS (very time-consuming as it can't be applied globally on the page w/out breaking the CSS):
SR: ok we shell them peas later
text-indent: -1em; padding-left: 1em;
Quote here - how to indent? >> SOLUTION: apply "body-quote" class https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Tortoise_and_Homeostasis#SEMINAR_II DONE 21.01.21 Check if this is consistent throughout!
Styling of: - intro text (a preamble?): https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Chapter_Outline opening quotes - are these consistent globally? Author before quote, or after? What if a text is also mentioned?
Awkward position of Parallel Text here: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Fabulous_Loop_de_Loop#RESEARCH_CULTURES_.E2.80.93_LSD_.E2.80.93_ARPANET
OK please move
Update style guide & apply:
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Floop_style_guide
PEA-SHELLING:
Use regular expressions to search for and amend: - double spaces - typos/style inconsistencies Samual Butler >> Samuel Butler Samual Morse >> Samuel Morse schismogenesis >>schizmogenesis the fabulous loop de loop >> The Fabulous Loop de Loop Electropsycometer >> Electropsychometer Double Bind's Double life >> Double Bind's Double Life scientology>>Scientology
Yes SR and SB to find and destroy
References (globally):
Some references are missing (not entered yet), some retain the original footnote numbers. This appears across the Floop at various places, necessitating some vigourous pea-shelling. An example:
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Negative_Entropy_%E2%80%93_Bateson_-_Freud
Yes- I will find and destroy them
Duplicates? TELEGRAPH – CYBERNETICS or This one please>> CYBERNETICS – TELEGRAPH
THINK ABOUT:
Steve: As we discussed make a 'link to next chapter' at end of each chapter.
How does the reader know (easily) where the next chapter begins? At the moment, the options are to click in the sidebar link. There is no link to the "next chapter" at the end of each one. Is this desireable?
Images before sections? What is the logic here? Please establish a logic here! If you put an image before a section, it appears alongside it. Perhaps they can be there if the image relates to the previous section as well? An example:
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Vibrations#WILLIAM_BATESON_.E2.80.93_EVOLUTION.2CINFORMATION.2C_ENERGY_.E2.80.93_PROBLEMS_OF_GENETICS
OK 18.1.21
STEVE: I agree these changes. SIMON: Awesome - done now :)
QUERIES FOR STEVE: As per the shortened name of the title of the page below (Three Cyberneticians Discourse on Freud >> Cybernetics - Dynamic Psychology), do these page titles also need shortening (to be consistent with the titles in the sidebar)?
Suggested change: Lacan Builds a Circuit: Cybernetics and the Unconscious >> Lacan Builds a Circuit DONE 18.1.21
Suggested change: The Double Bind - Family Therapy - Toward a Media Psychology >> Double Bind to Video Therapy DONE 18.1.21
MEETING notes 18.12.20 https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Three_Cyberneticians%E2%80%99_Discourse_on_Freud%E2%80%99s_Dynamic_Psychology Rename this page to "Cybernetics and Dynamic Psychology" as per the sidebar? DONE 18.1.21
At the bottom of this page there are links to semantic annotations (from Semantic MediaWiki plugin installed by Andre?)
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Vapour_Engine
Could be useful? To research; what semantic MediaWiki is all about... Like, what is an RDF Feed?
SB to do: - update SEER silhouette to include "fringe" from odd or even - style quote on Negative Entropy - Bateson - Freud - indent quotes globally (more than 50 words = indent) - new title on page, chapter outline and in sidebar >> Cybernetics - (en dash) Psychodynamics DONE 18.1.21 - ask Andre what semantic Mediawiki is about, apropos what is useful in the future WILL DO 19.1.21 (when I see Andre)
Ahead of next meeting 18-12-20
Steve writes: I think we are going to have to change the links to the chapters on the Chapter Outline page. "W. Grey Walter – The Body in Pieces" still may give the impression that Grey Walter is the author. These were placeholders at an earlier stage (when the text was a collection of word files). I think we should cut the names to read: The Vapour Engine; Vibrations; [...] The Body in Pieces; The Tortoise and Homeostasis &c
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Chapter_Outline SB adds: It would be good to also talk about how images are working on this page - at the top it is a little cluttered at present, which could mean we need less (or more?) images. SR adds. Agreed. If it is cluttered I guess less is best. The photo of Walter is a bit out of place here. Please do what you think is best here.
SR: we also need to implement the solution for extended qoutes (indents, italics &c)
SB todo:
Some title pages have the MIZPELLING of Edgar Allan Poe (doh!)
Please retitle the pages where this stupid error occurs (Steve has corrected the other instances): DONE 14.12.20
Page title matches
PURLOINED LETTER – Edgar Allen Poe 42 KB (7,321 words) - 12:15, 6 December 2020 THE PURLOINED LETTER – Edger Allen Poe
54 bytes (7 words) - 11:42, 5 November 2020 THE PURLOINED LETTER – Edgar Allen Poe 42 KB (7,370 words) - 12:17, 6 December 2020
is should be = Edgar Allan Poe
It is SUPERCOOL that you dealt with these issues. Thanks :-)
New images (machine parts) need to be made on THE GOVERNOR and SEER pages (see context below) https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/THE_GOVERNOR DONE 15.12.20 https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/SEER_(SEquence_Extrapolating_Robot) DONE 15.12.20
Put new pages on the contents bar of floop: Odd or Even? & Nagative Entropy, Bateson-Freud DONE 15.12.20
SORRY! Steve fucked up this page when he added the Odd or Even ? link: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/SEER_(SEquence_Extrapolating_Robot) please unfuck it ;-) UNFUCKED 16.12.20
Image needed to go with the ODD or Even? link on Chapter Outline page https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Chapter_Outline DONE 16.12.20
Well dodgy link to Kenneth Craik – A (Proto) Cybernetic Explanation on chapter outline page https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Chapter_Outline Please make the red go away! DONE
Some parallel texts need (re)formatting
for instance: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/TECHNOLOGIES_OF_SELF_–_WILLIAM_BURROUGHS
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/TECHNOLOGIES_OF_SELF_%E2%80%93_WILLIAM_BURROUGHS (REFORMATTED 16.12.20)
and https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/ASHBY_DESCRIBES_THE_HOMEOSTAT REFORMATTED 16.12.20
Steve todo:
Editing whole = in progress Make new page - Nagative Entropy, Bateson-Freud = DONE 14-12-20 Make link on THE GOVERNOR page to new Nagative Entropy, Bateson-Freud page =DONE 14-12-20 SB, please note- this needs a new image (machine part) add to SB to do list Make new page – Odd or Even? = DONE 14-12-20 Make link on SEER page to new odd or even? chapter= DONE 14-12-20 SB please note - this needs a new image (machine part ) add to SB to do list
Think about How to invite readers? How can readers contribute feedback?
Inviting general readers: Still thinking on the best way to do this...
When should the parallel-text class be added to this page? It's quite long and will probably be updated often
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/BIBLIOGRAPHY%E2%80%93FABULOUS_LOOP_DE_LOOP
>>> leave it for now
Style thoughts/questions (this can become a section in the Mediawiki Cheatsheet page)
PT > Floop
To include or exclude names? >>> should reflect the name of the chapter
Names are excluded in the sidebar, and in chapter titles. Links back to chapters should reflect the title of the chapter.
so,
Alfred Korzybski and William Burroughs – Time-Binding and Time-Scrambling
becomes
Time-Binding and Time-Scrambling
A PT (still attached to another PT?) example of the difference between the two styles: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/FEELING_TONE-CURVES
Floop > PT (the following has been added to the Floop Style Guide) https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Floop_style_guide
Certain symbols (such as &, ?, #, + and /) should not be used when making PT titles. Using these can run the risk of producing 404-page-not-found errors when Mediawiki rewrites URLS.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Troubleshooting
Dashes can be useful here, but there are three different types:
Em dashes — En dashes – and hyphens - We will only use en dashes and hyphens in titles of links between PT and Floop.
e.g. TECHNOLOGIES OF SELF–WILLIAM BURROUGHS CONTROL SOCIETIES – DELEUZE WRITING––CALVINO–SOFTWARE–CYBERNETICS
These can be used in different ways, but a consistency between the methods will make it easier for the reader to know what type of PT is being visited. Also, at some times hyphens are used for compound nouns and adjectives (for grammatical accuracy), such as "tone-curves" in the PT titled:
FEELING TONE-CURVES
To establish a difference between different types of PTs and maintain linguistic clarity, I propose the following syntax;
For PTs that link a topic to a particular agent of the discourse TOPIC – AGENT e.g. TECHNOLOGIES OF SELF – WILLIAM BURROUGHS
Or for topics/agents/topics that link to several other topics and agents that sometimes form a group (I'm calling this a "compound", see below), use one en dash, with a space on either side ( – ):
SUBJECT – TOPIC
e.g. WRITING – CALVINO-SOFTWARE-CYBERNETICS
For compounds, use hyphens to separate parts: SUBJECT-SUBJECT-SUBJECT TOPIC-TOPIC-TOPIC AGENT-AGENT-AGENT
or any combination, separated only by hyphens:
SUBJECT-TOPIC-AGENT
e.g. TECHNOLOGIES OF SELF – WILLIAM BURROUGHS CONTROL SOCIETIES – DELEUZE WRITING – CALVINO-SOFTWARE-CYBERNETICS
FLog Floop Pages with complete links to PT:
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/From_Schizmogenesis_to_Feedback https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Time-Binding_and_Time-Scrambling
20-11-20 Simon:
- follow Steve on links between PT and Floop
- identify & style preambles
.preamble class made in CSS https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Bateson%E2%80%99s_Negentropic_Discourse_Matrix https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Poe%27s_Purloined_Letter ?? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Lacan_Builds_a_Circuit:_Cybernetics_and_the_Unconscious https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Double_Bind_%E2%80%93_Family_Therapy_%E2%80%93_Toward_a_Media_Psychology *(double title on page???) https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Double_Bind%27s_Double_life + brain storm for what we could do in the future with the Floop think about hard copy version - what form(s)? +
- remove names from chapter titles here: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Chapter_OutlineDONE
Steve:
- write preambles (e.g. A brief recap etc)
- remove heading 2 on PTs DONE
- make pt-links on PT, floop-link on Floop
- take PTs from Tumblr (A Parallel Text), make categories and place in Floop
- continue with making PTs
preambles to PT - e.g. Ashby describes the Homeostat Cybernetic Creatures - Braitenberg Vehicles
EXAMPLE page acts as example for how to make links between PT and Floop
Still TODO: delete old page, replace with new Deal with missing page https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/W._Ross_Ashby_and_Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_Steps_Towards_a_(Media)_Ecology#ROSS_ASHBY_ON_THE_HOMEOSTAT
Length of floop-link lines? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/User_Guide:_The_Fabulous_Loop_de_Loop#METHODOLOGY
Images - center some within the body of the text? Margin is getting a bit cramped https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Radical_Software,_Guerrilla_Television_and_Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_The_Fabulous_Loop_de_Loop
classes have changed from:
annotation > floop-link annotation-return > pt-link
SB todo:
To Be Deleted: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Ashby%27s_description_of_the_Homeostat text boxes > e.g. Burroughs, Lacan et all > Parallel text move User Guide to before Chapter Outline brain storm for what we could do in the future with the wiki think about hard copy version - what form?
next meeting friday 20th november
Small change made to User Guide - image at top is now locked (not linking) and vignette of image for A Parallel Text moved to margin
Mediawiki cheetsheat entry for making and linking Parallel Texts has been created: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Mediawiki_cheatsheet#Making_.26_linking_Parallel_Texts
Current Parallel Text headings:
Page title = heading 1 What about the heading 2s that are on each page? Retain or delete?
Next meeting 11.11.20 12pm
Taxonomy of Parallel Texts Annotation Extract Synopsis Facsimile
simon:
write cheat sheet by Wednesday
steve: sweep wiki for PT material = make wiki pages for PT steve= work on floop
Is this an extract from Design for a Brain?
YES!
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/ASHBY_DESCRIBES_THE_HOMEOSTAT#ASHBY_DESCRIBES_THE_HOMEOSTAT
Images on https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/THE_PURLOINED_LETTER_%E2%80%93_Edgar_Allen_Poe#THE_PURLOINED_LETTER_.E2.80.93_Edgar_Allen_Poe > these are right at the bottom of the page - is there a better position?
thanks simon :-)
User guide To DO:
Order as logical Add User guide to sidebar (right before Chapter Outline) Add vignettes as needed
Parallel Text TO DO:
Different font, same colour Function of each parallel Text (e.g. Annotating, Synopsis)
User guide TODO: put user guide image on main page (under A Parallel Text) Needed: A logline for the user guide - what is it, how does it illustrate Floop?
Steve to do: write logline for users guide (1) what is floop? (2) what is the parallel text? (the image at the botom of the page looks great).
Images in body TODO: apply p.image-body class to all centred images Needed: which other images should be centred?
A Parallel Text Needed: a family resemblance to FLOOP, but is distinct > First three Parallel Texts are now styled (light grey)
TODO:
- Make new category > Category:Parallel Text - Make sub-categories:
Sub Category:Annotation Sub Category:Synopsis Sub Category:Extract
TODO: - Make Parallel Texts from text blocks (titles can be easily changed later) - Make separate pages for every Parallel Text already in https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text - Transclude Parallel Texts in https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text
- Add https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Ashby%27s_description_of_the_Homeostat to Parallel Text (get rid of the least inconvenient Ashby text) - Add links between Parallel Text and https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/W._Ross_Ashby_and_Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_Steps_Towards_a_(Media)_Ecology#ROSS_ASHBY_ON_THE_HOMEOSTAT Question: is this the same text? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text#ASHBY_DESCRIBES_THE_HOMEOSTAT
Numbered lists in text* Indent these using Mediawiki syntax
- This section includes a numbered list that is broken up, interspersed with paragraphs and images.
How Mediawiki produces automatically numbered lists: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Mediawiki_cheatsheet#Main_body_numbered_lists
Mediawiki syntax means that a list is automatically numbered, but the list begins at 1. If you break the line, the list begins at 1 again. So for this reason, I am using p.indent to indent this particular list.
Similar issue with this section (a breakdown of the Structural Differential's parts: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Alfred_Korzybski_and_Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_Why_%E2%80%9CThe_Map_is_NOT_the_Territory%E2%80%9D#THE_STRUCTURAL_DIFFERENTIAL_.281924.29 (sidenote: this section seems to have incomplete text " This is followed by (feeds through to)[2] Higher Level Abstractions [3]")
And also with this section (Tape recorder 1,2,3 description): https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Alfred_Korzybski_and_William_Burroughs_%E2%80%93_Time-Binding_and_Time-Scrambling#FROM_THE_INVISIBLE_GENERATION_TO_ELECTRONIC_REVOLUTION
Alphabetical lists in text Indent these using p.indent globally
Questions for next meeting:
Style of quotes & recaps
Quotes that begin chapters Many chapters begin with quotes. Should there be a consistent style for these?
e.g.
Author: "quote" (like on this page: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Kenneth_Craik_%E2%80%93_A_(Proto)_Cybernetic_Explanation
or
"Quote" Author – Book
- add footnote reference to exact book
add this to stylesheet
(like on this page: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/W._Ross_Ashby_and_Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_Steps_Towards_a_(Media)_Ecology)
Large quotes in body of text
Should these be indented, say when they get to be more than three lines long? More than 50 words > indent
Recaps Some chapters begin with a recap, e.g: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_Bateson%E2%80%99s_Negentropic_Discourse_Matrix https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Jacques_Lacan_%E2%80%93_Lacan_Builds_a_Circuit:_Cybernetics_and_the_Unconscious
Could recaps be styled in the same way as quotes that begin chapters?
To briefly recap > Brief recap: Make recaps more visually distinct
Schemes/elaborations
Some sections of the text are illustrations of schemes and elaborations in the form of alphanumeric characters (e.g. Lacan's +/- and X schematic). They get a little lost in the text (visually), and need to stand out more from the body for better readability as an illustration.
Should the elaboration made in this section become an image (like the Lacan +/- image)? Or just indented? > Indent these https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_Bateson%E2%80%99s_Negentropic_Discourse_Matrix#AB-BA-ABABA...CODIFICATION-EVALUATION.5B24.5D
Thumbnail images As more images are added in thumbnails, this takes up space in the margin. Which is not a bad thing, but some adjustment of image sizes may be needed (to discuss) e.g. https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Radical_Software,_Guerrilla_Television_and_Gregory_Bateson_%E2%80%93_The_Fabulous_Loop_de_Loop#ORGANIC_UNITY_.E2.80.93_APPROPRIATE_TECHNOLOGY
Toplinks, to include, or to exclude? This section has a "toplink", an upwards arrow which, when clicked, takes the reader back to the top of the page. Necessary? https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Samuel_Butler_%E2%80%93_The_Vapour_Engine#EREWHON
The syntax for producing a toplink, placed at the bottom of the text, justified right:
Hyperlinked text At points the text refers to itself. A section of a chapter mentions another section of a chapter where a topic is elaborated upon. Should these become hyperlinks, or is this opening Pandora's box? > general feeling is to not include lots of hyperlinks - allow the reader to discover the text at their own pace
Meeting 09/10/20
User guide TODO: put user guide image on main page (under A Parallel Text)
Images in body TODO: apply p.image-body class to all centred images
A Parallel Text Needed: a family resemblance to FLOOP, but is distinct
TODO:
Make new category > Category:Parallel Text
Make sub-categories:
Sub Category:Annotation
Sub Category:Synopsis
TODO: Make Parallel Texts from text blocks (titles can be easily changed later) Make separate pages for every Parallel Text already in https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text Transclude Parallel Texts in https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/A_Parallel_Text
Alphabetical lists in text Indent these using p.indent globally
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Questions for next meeting: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Jacques_Lacan_%E2%80%93_Poe%27s_Purloined_Letter "Here is the link to Poe's text: The Purloined Letter" Can this become a Parallel Text?
Yes! Done :-)
Meeting 02/10/20
TO DO indent lists to make them more easily read (e.g. numbered lists)
- alphabetical lists are styled with CSS targeting HTML in the body of the text
Changes made:
Styling of all lists applied to:
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Warren_S._McCulloch_and_Jacques_Lacan_%E2%80%93_Play_Like_an_Idiot
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Jacques_Lacan_%E2%80%93_Poe%27s_Purloined_Letter
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Jacques_Lacan_%E2%80%93_Lacan_Builds_a_Circuit:_Cybernetics_and_the_Unconscious
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Samuel_Butler_%E2%80%93_Vibrations
Instructions added to Mediawiki cheatsheet (Lists) https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Mediawiki_cheatsheet#Lists
diagram made of Lacan ++ -- +- on https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Warren_S._McCulloch_and_Jacques_Lacan_%E2%80%93_Play_Like_an_Idiot Changes made:
diagram made for both +/- drawings, and also X scheme elaboration
The Annotation > A Parallel Text Changes made:
Name of page changed, all appearances of page name updated throughout site TODO: Category:Annotation? Category:Parallel Text Sub Category:Annotation Sub Category:Synopsis
User guide drawing for Floop with Annotation (all machines leading with lines into a box - A Parallel Text) Changes made:
first sketch of user guide drawing made: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/User_Guide TODO: put user guide image on main page (under A Parallel Text) TODO: apply image-body class to all centred images
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Alfred_Korzybski_and_William_Burroughs_%E2%80%93_Time-Binding_and_Time-Scrambling#Other_technologies_of_self_used_by_William_S._Burroughs. "text blocks" (e.g. Burroughs) becomes a Parallel Text Titles for text blocks that become Parallel Texts? TODO: make Parallel Texts from text blocks
what to do about the text in annotation?
ways of displaying - on an alphabetic index, transcluded in the Annotation with structure organised contextually (a la Arcades project)
family resemblance to FLOOP, but is distinct
Meeting 28/09/20
TO DO:
User guide drawing for Floop with Annotation (all machines leading with lines into a box - The Annotation)
* 1D, 2D, 3D reference - abstraction of shapes and lines - a la IKEA
what to do about the text in annotation? ways of displaying - on an alphabetic index, transcluded in the Annotation with structure organised contextually (a la Arcades project) family resemblance to FLOOP, but is distinct
Meeting 18/09/20
TO DO: get rid of names in sidebar - SB
backup? contact Manetta & Andre done r-diff backup backupninja Steve
Introduction & Conclusion in same place (a loop back)
New chapters - add link on each relevant MACHINE page Steve
Annotations - add links on each relevant target page, let SB know when done, and I'll do the rest Steve
Jacques Lacan – Lacan Builds a Circuit: Cybernetics and the Unconscious Find ways to do: You are here link Jump back to TOC from H2 in chapters link
To add to cheatsheet: Annotation method: 1. Create standalone page for annotation (use search bar, or URL) 2. Add title for annotation as a heading 2 e.g:
Test Annotation
Add text below title
Add page to the Category:Annotation (add this text at the bottom of the page)
Save page
3. Transclude page in The Annotation https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Annotation
4. On target page (where the annotation should appear), add link to page, enclosed in
tags with the class "annotation":
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Chapter_Outline Chapter titles in Chapter Outline do not correspond exactly to chapter titles on chapter pages, e.g.:
COUNT ALFRED KORZYBSKI – THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENTIAL WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS – THE ELECTROPSYCOMETER (The E-Meter)) (these have been corrected 09/09/20)
Sidebar - a bit messy and hard to read, but difficult to style Solution: install this extension? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SideBarMenu
Kenneth Craik or Edward Craik?
Meeting 04/09/2020
Two methods of annotations 1. brute force, labour intensive 2. Mediawiki extension Ask Andre which method is best to have truncated annotations within margins where needed, as in this page: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/W._Grey_Walter_%E2%80%93_The_Body_in_Pieces Ask Andre about "Learn more about the Vapour Engine" - how can this method be used to link to the Related links and images?
Style guide h2, h3, h4 annotations images Titles of works Titles of books
Proofreading? Leave till later
Formatting Continue organising layout structure
https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Main_Page Transcluded annotation (in target page):
Meeting 28/08/20
Proof of concept tests:
The Annotation: Test out ways of including annotation entries into margins on Floop: 1. brute force (make annotation as a page, transclude annotation page on The Annotation and on target page, add HTML to target page, style with CSS): e.g. Annotation as a page: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/Test_Annotation Transcluded in The Annotation page: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/The_Annotation Transcluded on target page, added HTML, styled with CSS: https://hub.xpub.nl/fabulousloopdeloop/index.php/W._Grey_Walter_%E2%80%93_The_Body_in_Pieces
2. with MediaWiki Semantic Text Annotator extension (needs to be installed on the server): https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Text_Annotator
Styling: Test styling of H2/H3 and TOC Images to the right on Floop - this can be done by making images thumbnails using MediaWiki syntax (they can be styled so they appear as full-size images)
Main page: Floop icon? Curved line as abstract arrow?
Portapak page: Add images to page
To think about: Determine when to hide Mediawiki superflous bells and whistles When should this text become public? How should it become public?
Next meeting: Friday 4th September 2020 14:00pm
Next meeting: 14:30 Mon 10th
Agenda:
Time management (hours worked - money owed)
9 hours...so far --- 600 paid
300 paid August 26 - 900 total
SB to make shareable version of work/pay log spreadsheet
Review of work done
* Click trail to texts - how does this function while navigating from the main page meta-diagram/sidebar TOC?
* Images - can these be reused (further abstracted or further detailed) as you navigate through the site?
* Typography - installing fonts on the server - which choices can be made?
sidebar (comprehensive TOC):
THE GOVERNOR list of chapters M. SPECULARIX (The Cybernetic Tortoise) list of chapters SEER (SEquence Extrapolating Robot) list of chapters THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENTIAL (The Anthropometre) list of chapters THE ELECTROPSYCOMETER (The E-Meter) list of chapters THE HOMEOSTAT list of chapters THE PORTAPAK: SONY VIDEOROVER DV-2400 (1967) list of chapters Conclusion
The Annotation (with brief explanation)
Preview of work to do over the next two weeks (achievable aims, if budget permits)
- sidebar - make this comprehensive
- images - after visiting main page, how do chapters visually present themselves? (sections of machines as representative of chapters)
- fonts - add to server and try out in layout
- styling of related links and images page
- adjust line length on chapter pages
Help Steve with Bateson Graph (matrix)
e mail book (pdf) with page refs to copy pages.
Simon as graph maker...
30-7-20
Things to do: Simon to work on reskinning options; experiment; General scheme of 'front page': move contents to right hand bar and images and tiltle to the left. Circle of images (loop). Continue gathering material for 'Related Links and Images'
Steve: continue editing texts and adding images to pages...place an image after every 1000 words. (left justified).
10-17 August = Reread Lacan material, edit and review Lacan chapters. General editing, footnotes &c
17-14 August = Reread Radical Software material and review chapter.General editing, footnotes &c
Previously on Floop Pad:
Hey SIMON Loving the SEER drawing on the 'front page'. he is CUTE! :-)
I added the texts to the front page.
This is in order to have the information together.
We can change it later, of course.
I am off on holiday at the end of the week.
I will carry on editing and writing stuff while I'm away, maybe we can meet on line for a brief chat on Wed or Thursday
LEVELS OF ABSTRACTION on the Floop wiki
1) images of machines / title
2) log lines of machines
3) contents / chapter outline
4) introduction
5) chapters
6) Annotations
The machine as log lines
The Governor in a steam engine regulated the flow of energy through a system.
The governor carried news of change through the system and adapts to that change (feedback).
In the 1900s some people thought that the adaptability and flexibility of governor followed the same principle of adaptability and flexibility that we see in the natural world.
The Cybernetic Tortoise was built in the late 1940s. It moved about, responding to light and touch. Did its movement demonstrate behaviour? Did its behaviour demonstrate thought?
SEER (SEquence Extrapolating Robot) was built in early 1950s. The machine played a simple guessing game with humans. Is SEER one of the first “thinking machines”?
The Structural Differential was built in 1924. It was a “plastic diagram” that helped users understand the difference between an object and the word representing that object.
The E-Meter (Electropsycometer) was built in the 1950s. It was used in Scientology auditing sessions. The E-Meter used feedback to regulate and monitor the actions and re-actions of the user.
The Homeostat was developed in the late 1940s. It explores the degree of self-organization afforded within a complex system. If you disturbed the homeostat, it would adapt and return to a stable state. Does the "mind" of this machine extend into its environment?
The Sony Portapak was a video system used in the 1960s and 1970s to develop community media. The video system allowed visions of an ecologically sustainable planet to be mapped on to media ecologies.
In present tense (better?): Present tense is more dramatic - it also gives the machines a kind of agency. But the problem is where the year is mentioned, however, as this roots the aspect of the sentence in the past. How about something like:
late 1940s The Cybernetic Tortoise moves about, responding to light and touch. Does its movement demonstrate behaviour?
Yes! That's it.
The machine as log lines
The 100s – The Governor in a steam engine carries news of change through the system and adapts to that change (feedback). Some people think that the adaptability and flexibility of the governor follows the same principle of adaptability and flexibility that we see in the natural world.
The late 1940s– The Cybernetic Tortoise moves about, responding to light and touch. Does its movement demonstrate behaviour? Does its behaviour demonstrate thought?
The early 1950s, the SEER (SEquence Extrapolating Robot) plays a simple guessing game with humans. Is SEER one of the first “thinking machines”?
1924– The Structural Differential is a “plastic diagram” that helps users understand the difference between an object and the word representing that object.
The early 1950s– The E-Meter (Electropsycometer) is used in Scientology auditing sessions. The E-Meter uses feedback to regulate and monitor the actions and re-actions of the user.
The late 1940s– The Homeostat explores the degree of self-organization afforded within a complex system. If you disturb the homeostat, it will adapt and return to a stable state. Does the "mind" of this machine extend into its environment?
The late 1960s-early 1970s–The Sony Portapak was a video system used to develop community media. Does the intercation between humans and machines represent an ecology?
Ashby archive
Ashby: "I am; therfore I think"
Maybe embed this into the wiki (tortoise chapter)= actually, I say this but maybe we should steer clear of too many links that can go dead in the central text
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLULRlmXkKo
HA! The guy Poundstone wrote the book which has SEER in it! Nice photos! Poundstone? Which book?
Poundstone, William. How to Predict the Unpredictable , Oneworld 2014. Ah yes - I didn't make the connection from the images I've been putting in the wiki that this was the same person! I've just found the book and put it in the bl: https://hub.xpub.nl/bootleglibrary/book/436
I love the way the diagrams grow in complexity on the wiki, btw.... Ha! thanks - yes it's interesting thinking of typologies of diagrams, e.g.:
- operational - circuit - functional (e.g. showing how the machine works in 3D space)
Also occurred to me that the meta-diagram you made depicts a relational ecology of the machines as well, just as the above mentioned types of diagrams also have relational aspects (e.g. capacitors wired to other components) etc.